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iconCounterpoint
The Interview, pg. 2

I've read that Mitch Miller blamed your singalong album for killing the craze.

J.E.: Oh, he's just being vengeful and petty, It was his baby, and he blew it.

Despite all the setbacks, you've obviously garnered quite a following and you've even won a Grammy.

D.E: Yes, that was in 1960 for the second album, Jonathan and Darlene in Paris.

I can see it there next to the TV.

D.E.: It puzzled Jonathan about the Grammy being for comedy, but nevertheless we were glad to receive it.
J.E.: The funny thing is -- and I feel kind of nice about it -- that the Westons have never won a Grammy. I do admit that they did all their recording before the academy was started, but they don't really have a Grammy. Weston has that one he got for being the first national president and founder, but that's not really for performance. The only Grammy in this household is ours, and they have the nerve to make us keep it in our bedroom.

Many people do seem to have a hard time pinning down your music.

J.E.: The new Ellington-Waller album (Darlene Remembers Duke, Jonathan Plays Fats) is easier to categorize because a lot of that is real jazz. It's swinging jazz. My stride piano is at least the equal of Fats Waller. Sometimes there are extra beats in the bar . . .
D.E.: . . . which gives him an extra stride.

No one ever thought of that before?

J.E.: No, but a lot of things we do no one has ever thought of before. And there are a lot of things we do that other people have thought of and foolishly rejected. People even steal things from us.
D.E.: We've heard piano players in cocktail bars who we're certain have stolen our style. Jonathan's mostly.

You're always giving the credit to Jonathan, Darlene, but you've got your own unique style. I've never heard it anywhere before.

D.E.: Well, thank you.
J.E.: Darlene's so good she could do opera if she really wanted to. If she could do "Stayin' Alive," I'm sure she could do opera.
D.E.: Maybe you're right, Jonathan and Darlene Swing the Classics! We never thought of that.
J.E.: Possibly after the Noel Coward album we could do that.
(Jonathan leaves the room to deal with fans on the intercom who have arranged to seek out Paul Weston and Jo Stafford.)

Darlene, you didn't start singing professionally until your children were grown. How did you develop your remarkable style?

D.E.: We were originally from Trenton, and I performed at a lot of PTA functions. My club group used to have me sing before our bridge games. It was things like that.

How did Jonathan get his start?

D.E.: I'd rather you asked him because I'm not sure.

Well, then, with Jonathan gone temporarily, what can you tell us about two artistic personalities getting along?

D.E.: We get along fairly well. He is kind of rigid, though, and there are times when he bugs me. If it's a matter of setting the tempo, for instance, I would think that the singer would get to pick it. But with Jonathan, that's just out. All the tempos and arrangements he really dominates. Sometimes I get kind of mad, but most of the time, artistically, we see eye to eye.

That's interesting, Jonathan has such a reputation for being loose musically, yet when it comes to structure, he's inflexible.

D.E.: That's right. When he hits that tempo, you'd better just go along because that's the way it's going to be.

Otherwise, you might finish up at different times.

D.E.: Yes, you would, and there are times when we have had trouble, but of course, we almost never do retakes. If you listen, there are places where we have had a difference of opinion about when I'm supposed to come in.

To me, that's part of your special artistic process. I get so tired of seamless musical perfection. Art just isn't like that. It has rough edges.

D.E.: That's where Jonathan really contributes, in the free flow of musical ideas. He demands complete freedom, and he sees no reason why, for example, there can't be five beats in a 4/4 bar. Who said so?

Jonathan, you're back just in time for our technical discussion. All these years of challenging the basic tenets of contemporary musicianship, all the banging on the gates of the sacred temple, all the musical touches you've pioneered -- are there any that you're especially proud of, that you feel are very much your own?

J.E.: I think my arpeggios are my own. They're not like other people's arpeggios. They contain a great many more notes. Some people have had the nerve to point out that some of my notes don't actually belong to the chord which I'm building the arpeggio around, but I'm simply much more imaginative than the average pianist, and I put a lot more into my arpeggios.

Anything else?

J.E.: Well, I am very imaginative on all three elements of music -- melody, harmony and rhythm. Rhythmically, I've added bars, or if I think a bar is too long, I'll shorten it up and get on to the next bar. Harmonically, I've never believed that the composer's original harmony needed to bind me in any way because in many ways I'm much more musically sophisticated than the average composer. If I can think of a new harmonization for his melody, he's sort of fortunate.

Sort of like getting Michelangelo to paint your bathroom?

J.E.: Exactly.

What about you, Darlene? What do you feel your biggest contribution has been?

J.E.: That's easy -- her sophisticated way with lyrics.
D.E.: I just love sophisticated types of songs, and when I find words that are really sophisticated, I just lay into them. I really give them their due. Rendezvous, for example, or nonchalant.

I've often thought, Darlene, if only someone would write a song for you with the word ointment in it, you could do a lot with it.

D.E.: Boy, could I. I'm surprised no one has.
J.E.: I'd make ointment a 7/4 bar. I'd drag that bar out . . . because it's worth it.

After 25 years, can you look back to the beginning and trace your artistic development? Or were you pretty much a finished product from the start?

J.E.: I was very good from the beginning, and Darlene was quite sophisticated from the very beginning.
D.E.: Coming from Trenton, New Jersey, some of it is going to rub off.

I know your fans would like to know why there have been so few albums from Jonathan and Darlene -- only five in 25 years.

D.E.: We work a long time on them. We prefer not to retake songs when we're recording because we like the intimacy of the first take, even if there are differences of opinion. But we take a long time preparing to record, usually several years. We owe that to our fans, who expect our best effort.
J.E.: I think our fans can expect some more albums. We're not tapped yet.

**Los Angeles Magazine © December 1982

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